DEARBORN HEIGHTS, Mich. (WJBK) - Timothy Murdock is part of the alt-right and was supposed to speak at the Charlottesville rally - now he's speaking to FOX 2.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has a hate map, which includes Murdock, also known as "White Rabbit Radio."
"I have a media company, it is an alt-right media company," he said. "It is quite large, we do various different podcasts."
Murdock calls himself an alt-right animator and he goes by White Rabbit - he was also a scheduled speaker at Saturday's Unite the Right rally in Virginia to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee before the violent clashes that shut it down before it started.
"The whole entire violence was caused by the police stand-down," Murdock said.
During the violent clashes was an act of domestic terrorism when 20-year-old Alex Fields, Jr. is accused of crashing his car into a crowd of peaceful protestors and killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer.
Murdock said he condemns that behavior.
"Obviously, someone running over a bunch of people is ridiculous," he said. "I don't know what the events happened."
Murdock blamed police for not keeping everyone separated.
"If you have a permit for an event and the police aren't showing up to erect the barricades correctly," he said. You are allowing chaos to unfold."
But tensions were running high before Saturday's rally starting with Friday night's Tiki torch parade.
FOX 2: "Friday night looked like it was certainly meant to antagonize."
"In what way," Murdock said.
FOX 2: "You had to know after pulling that stunt, it would bring people out."
"Oh yeah," he said. "There were people getting on planes from all sides coming."
FOX 2: You guys clearly came looking for a fight; most people don't come to a rally with shields and helmets."
"If you do your homework, there’s been a variety of different anti-white attacks at these events from mace and everything else that virtually, just like this one, go unpoliced."
Murdock says the white supremacists and white nationalists and neo-Nazis and alt-right agitators who showed up for a permitted event - were not allowed to speak. And until they are, he said the protests will continue.
"The problem's not getting smaller," Murdock said. "Stop calling them white supremacists, stop calling them neo-Nazis."
"What do you call them?"
"Pro-white," he said. "They're tired of our race not sticking up for themselves. They could very easily do that within the system."
FOX 2: "But how are white men being oppressed?"
Murdock again points to what he calls a double standard and a growing number of disgruntled white people.
"The numbers in this type of thing are growing and growing," he said.
FOX 2: "Do you think that they're growing and growing and people feel okay being out there without a white hood on their head because of Donald Trump?"
"I think they're growing for circumstances that may have got Trump elected but he's kind of inconsequential to the whole entire thing," he said. "They're tired of the anti-white double standard."